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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.03.29 10:26:00 -
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Quote:The main point of contention seems to be that CCP refuse to give an exact definition of what constitutes harrassment and abuse, instead requiring players to exercise judgement and discretion in their communication with outher players.
Eh, kinda. For myself, I want assurances that processes to determine GM action taken against a player is as objective as possible, with as little subjectivity as possible.
Here's an example. If we're supposed to always be thinking about "the person behind the keyboard", blah blah blah, then how are we, within any reason, to know where to draw the line?
If I gank someone, and he rages out in local, does he get a "hissy fit shield", and I can't gank him anymore because it would upset him in real life? Am I supposed to take whatever he says at face value, if that is the case?
My ideal response would be: Too damn bad, if you can't deal with legitimate in game actions, then log off and cool down.
So while my answer to your question would be that 2 is what I want, what I think we have after last night is a 1.5. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4154
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Posted - 2014.03.29 10:35:00 -
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Zappity wrote:2 is the only workable option.
It was deliberately presented that way, yes. Laden with Malcanis' trademark sarcasm. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4154
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Posted - 2014.03.29 10:42:00 -
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Nalelmir Ahashion wrote: Example: you are not able to publish online someone's profile in the game saying "That imbecile 'tard was so 'tupid that I took all of his money! Lol" and such.
There goes EVE-kill, then. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4155
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Posted - 2014.03.29 10:46:00 -
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Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
There goes EVE-kill, then.
Pretty much. That's something which cannot be copy-pasted into Eve as you've stated there are parts like Eve-Kills which are valid in here. But for other stuff they may be valid... not my place to decide but there it stands.
Heck, even if you take the "third party site" out of the equation, sharing killmails goes bye-bye, too. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4158
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Posted - 2014.03.29 11:11:00 -
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CSM troll, best troll. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4160
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Posted - 2014.03.29 11:20:00 -
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DJentropy Ovaert wrote:Malcanis wrote: They stated their position yesterday. It boils down to: if you're too much of a dickbag to one of our customers then we don't want to do business with you.
So long as you confine your dickbaggery to reasonable limits, you're fine.
If the community feels itself unable to keep itself within reasonable limits, then the alternative is for CCP to explicitly define those limits and I doubt anyone would like the result of that, because that definition would have to cope with the most vulnerable and least resilient of CCP's customers.
Wow. I am speechless. You get to have a seat on the CSM, and you openly refer to paying customers and your fellow gamers as "Dickbags". Simply awful. I hope you are removed from the CSM soon. I don't want you representing the game I love.
Meanwhile, throngs of real players weep that he is not running for a second term. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4160
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Posted - 2014.03.29 11:22:00 -
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I'm still trying to figure out a way to forcibly elect Malcanis for CSM this year, too. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4178
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Posted - 2014.03.29 12:40:00 -
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Malcanis wrote: Do you think CCp's definition would match that of your activist acquaintences?
The real question is: "Do I think CCP's definition is flexible based on perceived popular opinion?" "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4178
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Posted - 2014.03.29 12:44:00 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Malcanis wrote: Do you think CCp's definition would match that of your activist acquaintences?
The real question is: "Do I think CCP's definition is flexible based on perceived popular opinion?" Flexible is good, it means there was a reasoned debate on the issue.
No, it means lynch mob. Pure and simple. It means if I get enough people following me who can't think for themselves, and decide to get someone banned, then I can.
There are a whole lot of waiting with baited breath hoping that isn't the case. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4178
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Posted - 2014.03.29 12:45:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Malcanis wrote: Do you think CCp's definition would match that of your activist acquaintences?
The real question is: "Do I think CCP's definition is flexible based on perceived popular opinion?" The NDA prevents me from giving specific details, but I am reassured that they're not quite the weathervanes you fear. You can take my opinion for what it's worth. In fact I was very much reassured by our discussions with CCP.
Well, good. That's basically what I was looking for.
You do realize that at present, it appears quite the opposite? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4181
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Posted - 2014.03.29 13:00:00 -
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One Eyed Runner wrote: this ^^^
some players cant understand people that DONT PvP and just want to mine, explore or mission run
Not only do I not understand, I actively make it a point to target you. So I don't care, either.
You don't get to pretend this is a single player game. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4193
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Posted - 2014.03.29 23:14:00 -
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Gilbaron wrote:How are we supposed to know when someone looses emotional control? Do we need to get spais into the enemy TeamSpeak to know when to stop killing their Titans because someone started crying?
I've started to think that this interpretation does not refer to legitimate in game actions.
And I'll act accordingly, vis a vi multiple ganks against the same person. If you don't want to get ganked, don't be an attractive target. Simple as that. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4193
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Posted - 2014.03.29 23:35:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I've started to think that this interpretation does not refer to legitimate in game actions.
And I'll act accordingly, vis a vi multiple ganks against the same person. If you don't want to get ganked, don't be an attractive target. Simple as that.
Just remember the flip side of that. If they take obvious efforts to avoid you and you continue to hunt the same person down (While not in a war dec against them), you've crossed the clear line into harassment.
With legitimate in game actions only? Yeah, tough luck. There's no magic number of how many times to gank someone is acceptable. And I'm not going to believe crocodile tears.
They even said it themselves, you don't get to meta the harassment rules to avoid legitimate in game activity. Something about how trying to do so wouldn't turn out well. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4195
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Posted - 2014.03.29 23:43:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Gilbaron wrote:How are we supposed to know when someone looses emotional control? Do we need to get spais into the enemy TeamSpeak to know when to stop killing their Titans because someone started crying? I've started to think that this interpretation does not refer to legitimate in game actions. And I'll act accordingly, vis a vi multiple ganks against the same person. If you don't want to get ganked, don't be an attractive target. Simple as that. Only took 26 pages but we got there. Have a hug.
Is it such a giant problem to just come right out and say that? Like I said before about "baited breath", I'm not exactly the only person here who was wondering if CCP had just created the "hissy fit shield".
Because there doesn't seem to be any shortage of people who are ready and willing to scream "harassment!" if they get attacked in the game. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4196
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Posted - 2014.03.30 00:06:00 -
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La Rynx wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Because there doesn't seem to be any shortage of people who are ...
Playin not only EvE i learned something very common: The people that want to be the toughest ones one the battlefield, cry like little babies when their overpowered tools possibly are to be nerfed. CCP has no intent to listen to the occaisonal wrong accusation of harrasment. But if you have discoverd a weaker player and follow him to show him your superiority this is harrasment. More so if a group concentrates on a single player. Stop acting like CCP took some lollies from you.
Oh, do tell. Which "overpowered tool" am I defending here? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4196
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Posted - 2014.03.30 00:13:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Sentamon wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Gilbaron wrote:How are we supposed to know when someone looses emotional control? When you pull someone out of the game for the specific reason of humiliating him while skirting the rules, you can be pretty sure that at some point he will lose emotional control. Else you are just bad at what you do. Mr Epeen ... and you have exactly one example of this happening. Or where there more examples to prove that bonus room antics cause loss of emotional control. Plenty. But really, one is all it takes. Mr Epeen
Not according to them, no. Malcanis even said it, it was the sum total of actions taken, not the one incident. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4197
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Posted - 2014.03.30 00:40:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote: Better get back with your main, epeen youre contradicting yourself
I'm not him. I was merely countering the "one is all it takes" statement. Clearly, that is not the case. So this "If you're mean you get banned, take that!" sentiment can go rot. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4199
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Posted - 2014.03.30 00:49:00 -
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And the dox attempts continue on poor Lady Areola Fappington.
Drone 16, you might want to lay off. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4204
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Posted - 2014.03.30 01:26:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:If the T word is offensive, what do YOU call "an assembly of parts including the speed-changing gears and the propeller shaft by which the power is transmitted from an engine to a live axle."? Or do you use the full word EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
Personally, I just find all the various car terms to be hilarious.
Tee hee, crank shaft. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4204
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Posted - 2014.03.30 01:33:00 -
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Pok Nibin wrote:Isn't it kinda FUNNY to have a CSM appealing to CCP through GD...huh? I somehow think this is NOT such an appeal, but rather is an attempt by the OP to give the appearance of being "Johnny-on-the-spot" for us minions out here as there is an ELECTION coming up. What do you think, blatant politicking or sincere concern for the playerbase?
He's not running this year. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4204
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Posted - 2014.03.30 01:43:00 -
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Oh, come on dude. EVE-Uni should know better than to quote fail cascade. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4209
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Posted - 2014.03.30 02:59:00 -
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Winchester Steele wrote:Kyperion wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Kyperion wrote:Winchester Steele wrote:Option 4: get elected to CSM and then use my blog and community visibility to single out a player I don't agree with and get them banned.
Anyone who thinks this is what happened is a delusional ass Oddly enough this is exactly what happened. If Ripard hadn't posted on his blog about it no one would have cared. Bullshit, there was obviously already a CCP investigation ongoing, nobody makes a decision that fast. And secondly, you are an idiot if you do not recognize that filth like E1 made the environment toxic for themselves... they poured the gas over their own bodies, and the match was going to get lit sooner or later. There does not exist a 300+ page threadnaught without the community AT LARGE already pissed off. Moron. 90% of that ******* threadnaught was 5 people. I know, I was one of them.
Represent. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4213
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Posted - 2014.03.30 03:49:00 -
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Kyperion wrote: No one can really claim harassment over a digital pixel being blown up, or getting outfoxed in a contract/trade maneuver.
Contract and trade maneuvers are how I do 75-80% of my scamming. What in the hell are you talking about? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4213
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Posted - 2014.03.30 03:53:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Kyperion wrote: No one can really claim harassment over a digital pixel being blown up, or getting outfoxed in a contract/trade maneuver.
Contract and trade maneuvers are how I do 75-80% of my scamming. What in the hell are you talking about? Do you get people to contract ISK to you on the promise to double it, while giving them nothing in the trade... or do you just look for the equivalent of good buy/sell orders?
Do you know what "Margin Trading" is? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4214
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Posted - 2014.03.30 04:00:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Do you know what "Margin Trading" is?
If its similar to real life margin trading, well, that's a risky proposition for both parties... and quite different from what Erotica 1 got banned for.
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Scams_in_Eve#The_Margin_Trading_Scam "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4216
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Posted - 2014.03.30 04:28:00 -
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Kyperion wrote: Again though, why are people who make their money like this, essentially outfoxing people on the nuances of the market, defending Erotica 1's bonus room... I don't think anyone who makes money like this would find it beneficial to run a 'bonus room'
Because people like you keep suggesting that any and all scamming be banned, no matter how unrelated it is to the teamspeak chatroom E1 ran? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4219
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Posted - 2014.03.30 04:43:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Kyperion wrote: Again though, why are people who make their money like this, essentially outfoxing people on the nuances of the market, defending Erotica 1's bonus room... I don't think anyone who makes money like this would find it beneficial to run a 'bonus room'
Because people like you keep suggesting that any and all scamming be banned, no matter how unrelated it is to the teamspeak chatroom E1 ran? People like me? ... pretty sure I am one of very few forum posters who hold that opinion. CCP has explicitly stated that's not where this is going. And the type of thing we are talking about IS completely seperate from the kind of stuff E1 did to get banned, so why all the uproar defending what E1 actually did?
Once again, because people have been using this to get a surge of "Ban all the badfeelz!" going. Scamming, ganking, all of that stuff.
You're part of it.
When you say things like "Ban the way that Person X plays the game!", you really don't think Person X is going to have something to say about it?
Oh, and I'm not exactly defending anything, by the way. Pretty much all of us weren't, and if you think we were, then reading comprehension is lacking. We don't like witch hunts and lynch mobs. We don't like hyperbole like calling the Gummy Bears song "Torture". We don't like the sneaky situation by which it was brought up waaaaaaay after the fact in the first place.
Whether we like E1 or not is highly irrelevant to pointing out the inconsistencies in what was going on. Regardless of the character of the player in question, I'd be rather unhappy to see it happening to any player. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4220
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Posted - 2014.03.30 04:58:00 -
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Kyperion wrote: quote ONE person, besides me calling for a ban to all scamming?
Quote? No, I'm not digging through the threadnaught. But: You, Divine Entervention, Luminous Spirit, Salvos Rhoska are the 4 worst offenders. There are quite a few more of that sort in C&P, or just posting in ones and twos.
And that's just in the last couple of days. 3 of those people have suggested that real life violence is an appropriate response to losing your pixels in a videogame.
Quote:
The villians of EVE literally have NOTHING to fear? So why all the anguish?
Because you've thrown aside "live and let live". You've declared, in numbers, that the way I play the game should not be allowed to exist. You've declared a war of extermination. You have set yourselves up as an existential threat to me, the way I play the game, and everyone like me.
Are we supposed to be happy about that? To treat you amicably?
**** no. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4220
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Posted - 2014.03.30 05:07:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:
How can we be an existential threat to your gameplay when CCP has repetitively stated on numerous occasions that nothing is going to happen to your gameplay?
This is where your noob-ness is showing. CCP says a lot of things.
Ever heard of can flipping? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4220
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Posted - 2014.03.30 05:15:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Kyperion wrote:
How can we be an existential threat to your gameplay when CCP has repetitively stated on numerous occasions that nothing is going to happen to your gameplay?
This is where your noob-ness is showing. CCP says a lot of things. Ever heard of can flipping? If people jettison stuff, and you take it do you get concordokken now?
*facepalm*
When someone had a can out before Crimewatch 2.0, and you took it, it would only flag you to the person you took it from.
Now it flags you to every freaking one.
So your assertion that just because CCP claims they stand beside my playstyle that I'm safe, is wrong. They've listened to forum tears in the past, and have proceeded to nerf piracy and ganking repeatedly. So yes, you people have been chipping away at my playstyle since I started playing this game.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4220
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Posted - 2014.03.30 05:19:00 -
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Ban Bindy wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Because you've thrown aside "live and let live". You've declared, in numbers, that the way I play the game should not be allowed to exist. You've declared a war of extermination. You have set yourselves up as an existential threat to me, the way I play the game, and everyone like me.
Are we supposed to be happy about that? To treat you amicably?
**** no.
So you can only scam if you know that those around you want to be scammed and approve of what you do? Do you really think your victims say to themselves, "Gosh, it really hurt that this guy was dishonest and took my isk, but gee, the game of Eve needs people like him!" Somehow when CCP says they will never take scamming out of the game, that's not clear enough? When CCP says, in plain words, that ganking, scamming, stealing, and spying are all vital to their vision of the game and will always be part of it, that somehow translates into scammers are an endangered species? I don't think that makes sense. I think you're getting a good dose of the fact that people don't have a high opinion of scammers even though they want scamming in the game. I know you want to see yourself as a victim, but really, you're probably not.
The barge EHP buff disagrees with you. As does numerous other buffs to carebearing through the game's history.
But here's the sticking point. I don't particularly care whether the likes of you want to get fleeced or not, want to get blown up or not. I'm playing the game. If you want to get back at me, then do it in the freaking game, don't cry to CCP about since how you don't have the spine to do it yourself, that I should get nerfed instead.
That's really just unspeakably childish. It's like asking to have one of my chess pieces taken away because you can't win a fair game. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4220
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Posted - 2014.03.30 05:22:00 -
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Kyperion wrote: The barge EHP buff just made ganking a little harder than fitting some frigate with a civilian laser....
You'd know?
I thought not. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4223
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Posted - 2014.03.30 05:26:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Kyperion wrote: The barge EHP buff just made ganking a little harder than fitting some frigate with a civilian laser....
You'd know? I thought not. and you continue to pull out things that have nothing to do with your fears, and do not in anyway effect your gameplay... other than to make it more interesting, and take more skill to pull off. And You have zero evidence that any of your mentioned gameplay changes were actually the result of forum whining....
That last sentence. Oh, my sides.
Yeah, though, let's sharply curtail the potential range of targets, and while we're at it, let's savagely restrict the potential ships you can do it in.
That's not a nerf, it's "more interesting".
Do you think anyone buys that bullshit? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4223
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Posted - 2014.03.30 05:34:00 -
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Kyperion wrote: Because having to think about which targets to hit, and requiring game knowledge of proper ships and fittings for a certain task is such a detriment to the game....
Do you think anyone buys YOUR bullshit whining?
You can't obfuscate it that easily, sorry.
It's not having to put thought into it when the few feasible gank ships left in the game are pretty much just the Catalyst, the Thrasher, the Tornado, and the Talos. The Moa sees some use, but less than a Vexor for example. Pick the right sized one for the task, load the only fit that works, and kill the guy.
And we were the players who actually had a clue about ships and fittings, by the way. The miners were begging to have ships that had enough tank that they would never have to make ANY fitting choices. Just put mining yield units on there and afk all damn day long. Yep, that sure is "proper knowledge of ships and fittings" alright.
So yeah, cutting the amount of potential ganking ships in the game down to 5 or 6, yeah that is a detriment to the game. Making it so one particular class of players (miners) never have to think about what they're doing, ever? That's a detriment to the game. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4223
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Posted - 2014.03.30 05:42:00 -
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Kyperion wrote: If it were as you say, you wouldn't be ganking endless amounts of noob miners... obviously they need proper fittings and strategies (SEE "Thought") or your New Order would not have such easy prey.
...As a matter of fact, its probably the miner buff that allows your "elite" form of PVP to be as attractive as it is... I can't imagine how pathetically easy it must have been for you before the buff.
You're not correct, I must say.
The fact that we still get kills like we do, is a testament to the sheer laziness of highsec. The sheer hubris of acting like this is a single player game. The sheer stupidity to think that they're "safe". "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4224
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Posted - 2014.03.30 05:55:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:
A 2009 player flying what you described would fit the definition of noob in every way... He/She has no clue about the game they are playing. Notice the difference in spelling between NEW and "noob"
Refusal to play the game correctly is not the same as lack of knowledge of how to do so. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4224
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Posted - 2014.03.30 06:02:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Kyperion wrote:
A 2009 player flying what you described would fit the definition of noob in every way... He/She has no clue about the game they are playing. Notice the difference in spelling between NEW and "noob"
Refusal to play the game correctly is not the same as lack of knowledge of how to do so. And you must be a telepath to know other anonymous player's motivations compared to their knowledge of the game..... Should I call you Xavier, or Jeane Grey?
No, you just look at their employment history and see if they're less than a few weeks old in or around noob system areas, and still in the noob corp.
Unless they attack you first in which case game on, and I take the pod. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Posted - 2014.03.30 06:19:00 -
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Kyperion wrote: Its really the semi-religious overtoned Cyber-cult propaganda spewed by New Order that irks me. That and my life's work being dedicated to the service of my country and community(Military/Security/Fire Services respectively), make it very hard for me to stomach even the roleplay of 'evil.'
With CCP's clear statements on the future of ganking, and scamming being crucial to the future of their vision of EVE, I just cannot see where all the worry is coming from on the fears of infringement upon their gameplay.
Do I really have to go over this with you again?
Despite their "clear statements" they have behaved with precisely the opposite intent numerous times. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Posted - 2014.03.30 06:27:00 -
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Kyperion wrote: Well, we will never see eye to eye on this, that was obvious from the start.
But you really are completely going over the top by saying EHP buff of barges, and Jet can changes make your gameplay even close to significantly harder.
It's not just those two, as has been stated repeatedly. Ever heard of the insurance nerf? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Posted - 2014.03.30 06:31:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Kyperion wrote: Well, we will never see eye to eye on this, that was obvious from the start.
But you really are completely going over the top by saying EHP buff of barges, and Jet can changes make your gameplay even close to significantly harder.
It's not just those two, as has been stated repeatedly. Ever heard of the insurance nerf? and again, completely does not affect you in the way you are complaining about. From previous statements you lead me to believe you make most of your money from a combination of margin trading and player loot drops.... so the insurance payout has zero impact on your game.
Your determination to keep towing the party line is nothing short of zealotry. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Posted - 2014.03.30 22:13:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote: Because that's how I choose to see it. So it's true.
LOL. Explains a lot. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Posted - 2014.03.30 22:20:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Mr Epeen wrote: Because that's how I choose to see it. So it's true.
LOL. Explains a lot. It's valid a reason as what you use to justify the demonstration of pure moronic you demonstrate every time you post. You are the one that cries because of unfair. Live it brother. Treat me with the fairness of being as stupid as you. (although it does hurt to turn my brain off to get to your level). Mr Epeen
Coming from someone who literally just copped to the heights of intellectual dishonesty, that's not even an effective insult.
"Everything I think is ok, must be, because I'm the one thinking it!"
I truly cannot stop laughing. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Posted - 2014.03.31 00:05:00 -
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Tut tut, Dinsdale.
So we have to turn EVE into carebear heaven and shut out all the badfeelz, because of Star Citizen?
Come on, you can do better than that. That is far from the quality trolling, conspiracy theories, and other such stuff I have come to expect from you. Step it up.
Oh, and Star Citizen will fail for several reasons. Firstly being that it's vaporware, and Chris Roberts is going to run off to the Bahamas or somewhere where they don't extradite financial criminals. Secondly because, if they are actually going to do even half of the stuff they say(as opposed to zero of it), then Star Citizen is a single player game where other players only marginally exist. You know, boring.
So come on, man. I exhort you, step up your game a little. There has to be some more plausible crap you think of. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Posted - 2014.03.31 01:26:00 -
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Deka Ekato wrote:Personally I choose Option 2, with some added points, because there seems to be one too many defenders of E1's behaviour.
These points can go something along the following lines :-
- Using in game mechanics to PVP / interact with others is acceptable - Griefing players in / out of game is not acceptable - Someting about not abusing the petition system concerning Griefing, ( I don't know how to put this coherantly ).
IMHO all griefing, in/out of game is bad.
It hurts the victim and such behaviour spoils the reputation of the playerbase and CCP.
As such :- - Scamming is ok ( not good, simply ok ) - Griefing is unacceptable
Tell me, oh wonderful NPC corp alt, what is "griefing", precisely? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Posted - 2014.03.31 01:45:00 -
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Deka Ekato wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Tell me, oh wonderful NPC corp alt, what is "griefing", precisely? If you need a precise explaination on what "griefing" is, then I am going to take the easy course of action and say, - That's CCP's problem. Let them define it E1 has surely opened up a "can of worms" for CCP.
Now that's insightful. Use of the word "Griefing" bolded and underlined several times in a post... and then refuse to define it, or characterize it in any way aside from saying that it should be banned.
"Grr, a concept I refuse to define!" "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Posted - 2014.03.31 03:41:00 -
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Winchester Steele wrote:
You use a lot of words to say very little. And what you do say is pure conjecture. I mean no disrespect, these are just my observations.
edit: To clarify. When I talk about tear extraction I am speaking of actions 100% in game. Not on comms or in any RL capacity.
Have a go through his post history, Winchester.
He's talking about in game too. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Posted - 2014.03.31 04:37:00 -
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Deka Ekato wrote:Ssabat Thraxx wrote:Deka Ekato wrote:Personally I choose Option 2, with some added points, because there seems to be one too many defenders of E1's behaviour.
These points can go something along the following lines :-
- Using in game mechanics to PVP / interact with others is acceptable - Griefing players in / out of game is not acceptable - Someting about not abusing the petition system concerning Griefing, ( I don't know how to put this coherantly ).
IMHO all griefing, in/out of game is bad.
It hurts the victim and such behaviour spoils the reputation of the playerbase and CCP.
As such :- - Scamming is ok ( not good, simply ok ) - Griefing is unacceptable So suicide ganking for it's own sake is now not allowed? Suicide ganking is in game PVP. I'm against, if you pardon my language, harassing anothere player, to an extreme, using out of game mechanics, to the point of mind ******* them. Sorry for the swear words CCP.
But that's not what you said.
You said: " Griefing players in/out of game is not acceptable. "
In, OR out of game.
We're asking you what you meant by "in game griefing". There's basically no such thing, by the way. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Posted - 2014.03.31 04:48:00 -
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Ssabat Thraxx wrote:Deka Ekato wrote:Suicide ganking is in game PVP.
I'm against, if you pardon my language, harassing anothere player, to an extreme, using out of game mechanics, to the point of mind ******* them.
Sorry for the swear words CCP. Ah, BUT, what CCP Falcon has said is that you're "crossing the line" when you reach the point that someone "loses control over their emotions." THAT'S what I'm against. Ever seen a hothead talking in local after his Mackinaw got suicide ganked? Clearly there are ALL SORTS of supposedly "acceptable" in-game mechanics which cause people to "lose control over their emotions." This is now a bannable offense? As Ive said many times before, this boils down to ambiguous and arbitrary enforcement of this "policy."
Heck, just the other day I had someone completely flip his lid at me for even posting a scam in local. He sure seemed to "lose control over his emotions."
Which is where I believe that CCP's statement can only refer to out of game actions. If someone has a problem with legitimate in game actions, then they can go get stuffed. Malcanis, while doing his level best to NOT say so directly, confirmed that about as much as could be done.
So that's what I will act in accordance with. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Posted - 2014.03.31 05:15:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Do we know for certain that the people financing and supporting it were not trying to manipulate the market prices of minerals or had a station full of Hulks to sell?
I'm certain that the entire idea was not born out of "hey, TEARS! we want TEARS! woohoo!". If I was wanting to sell hulks or control mineral prices I would certainly throw a bone to the tear fetishists too.
(and if one of them did to a miner what E1 did, I would DQ them in a hearbeat without waiting for a ban)
Goons have been great at using the concept of "messing with highsec" to cover their true motives.
You do know that nothing is going to change from this point in the game, right? Perhaps the tear fetishists will keep their convos and videos in private forums. Makes me wonder though. If the tears are so "delicious", why do they have to be shared? You can keep the convos and videos on say a thumb drive, and when there's nobody around you can plug it in and enjoy your work. Why the need to show it all out to the world?
Yeah... makes me wonder.
Take a quick guess at which alliance owns nearly every Hulk BPO in the game? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Posted - 2014.03.31 06:08:00 -
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Muestereate wrote:
The cure lies in meeting the unspoken needs of the participants, relationships are about getting our needs met. People that act out badly are often trying to get the attention that was withheld in earlier or very early periods of life. Its the other side of the coin of the compulsive over achiever. One is socially acceptable, the other isn't. The successful one gets to play the game longer because its acceptable. Eventually it takes a toll too.
So, I'm a ganker because my parents didn't love me?
Nice. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Posted - 2014.03.31 06:40:00 -
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Muestereate wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Muestereate wrote:
The cure lies in meeting the unspoken needs of the participants, relationships are about getting our needs met. People that act out badly are often trying to get the attention that was withheld in earlier or very early periods of life. Its the other side of the coin of the compulsive over achiever. One is socially acceptable, the other isn't. The successful one gets to play the game longer because its acceptable. Eventually it takes a toll too.
So, I'm a ganker because my parents didn't love me? Nice. A public forum is hardly the venue, perhaps you'd feel more comfortable in a bonus room :)
I certainly wouldn't mind. I don't have the best speaking voice, but I do have excellent pronounciation and reading skills. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Posted - 2014.03.31 07:02:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Do we know for certain that the people financing and supporting it were not trying to manipulate the market prices of minerals or had a station full of Hulks to sell?
I'm certain that the entire idea was not born out of "hey, TEARS! we want TEARS! woohoo!". If I was wanting to sell hulks or control mineral prices I would certainly throw a bone to the tear fetishists too.
(and if one of them did to a miner what E1 did, I would DQ them in a hearbeat without waiting for a ban)
Goons have been great at using the concept of "messing with highsec" to cover their true motives.
You do know that nothing is going to change from this point in the game, right? Perhaps the tear fetishists will keep their convos and videos in private forums. Makes me wonder though. If the tears are so "delicious", why do they have to be shared? You can keep the convos and videos on say a thumb drive, and when there's nobody around you can plug it in and enjoy your work. Why the need to show it all out to the world?
Yeah... makes me wonder.
Take a quick guess at which alliance owns nearly every Hulk BPO in the game? Oh, and WTF? Like it's something to hide? As though the fact that I get a laugh from a grown man screaming his lungs out about a videogame is something I need to be ashamed of? Yeesh, you're talking about it like it's some sexual fetish or something. Well in the Eve Radio interview, when it was revealed that one of the operatives of the bonus room had hundreds of recordings, I was reminded of another thing that some guys have hundreds of on their hard drives. I'm trying to find out why someone goes through as much trouble to harvest tears when for the most part, few people bother. If there's no ISK in it, and nothing further to gain, then what is the motivation? It has to be something. I know I'm asking a lot here, because I have asked for the motivation for years, and everybody I asked never provided an answer. "This is a sandbox HTFU" would follow. I see the blogs built around tear harvesting and it seems like you all are just showing it to each other. Can you tell me why this is supposed to be normal?
"few people bother"?
Have you been on Xbox Live in the last, oh, 5 years? Or played League of Legends? People have collections of pubstomp videos in League, for example.
But as to your basic point....
Why do arcade games have high score lists? Why do people put notches in their belts, bedposts and lipstick cases? Why do people put red X'es on the sides of their tanks, marking confirmed kills? Why do people keep videogames for older systems they don't play anymore?
The human condition of being afraid of one's own mortality tends to make us want to keep track of things, keep score. Victories especially. It's our way of saying "I'm still alive!" "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.04.01 00:54:00 -
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Ssabat Thraxx wrote: Are we to have a Favored Class and Second-Class Citizens in Eve? If we all pay the same price to play, shouldn't we all be able to reasonably expect the same level of service and the same standards of accountability applied to us as to others? CCP is a business, and I think they've made a really bad business decision here, by allowing these double standards to exist.
While I hesitate to bring up the topic, but that's been apparent for some time.
The... level of discourse... permitted against gankers, awoxers and wardeccers is quite simply staggering. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.04.01 01:01:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Ssabat Thraxx wrote: Are we to have a Favored Class and Second-Class Citizens in Eve? If we all pay the same price to play, shouldn't we all be able to reasonably expect the same level of service and the same standards of accountability applied to us as to others? CCP is a business, and I think they've made a really bad business decision here, by allowing these double standards to exist.
While I hesitate to bring up the topic, but that's been apparent for some time. The... level of discourse... permitted against gankers, awoxers and wardeccers is quite simply staggering. Yeah, what Sokhar said, the racism, the IRL threats, is completely fine by CCP's rules it seems.
Not if someone in the New Order said it. Why do you think we're all so polite in game? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.04.01 21:57:00 -
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Muestereate wrote:We demand good sportsmanship. Good sportsmanship requires a higher level of skill. It improve the game by upping the bar. Competition becomes a race to the top instead of a race to the bottom. It expands a repetitive skill-set into a dynamic multidimensional conflict that includes conquering yourself as well as others. Without good sportsmanship, you might as well be playing a single player console relying on twitch and repetition of motor skills. Save Eve from mediocrity, respond to the call of sportsmanship even in you most cunning plans. Raise your own bar, nobody else can.
See, that won't ever really happen.
People will always find a way to cry about pixels. And some of us will always laugh at those people. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.04.01 22:08:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Muestereate wrote:We demand good sportsmanship. Good sportsmanship requires a higher level of skill. It improve the game by upping the bar. Competition becomes a race to the top instead of a race to the bottom. It expands a repetitive skill-set into a dynamic multidimensional conflict that includes conquering yourself as well as others. Without good sportsmanship, you might as well be playing a single player console relying on twitch and repetition of motor skills. Save Eve from mediocrity, respond to the call of sportsmanship even in you most cunning plans. Raise your own bar, nobody else can. See, that won't ever really happen. You are obviously in contention for winning that race to the bottom. Gratz! Mr Epeen
Today I learned that three sentences of less than 40 words can be "too long, did not read".
Oh, and I wish. I dabble too much, don't focus on any one thing. I'm not even in the top 50. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.04.01 23:26:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Yogyog Yubby wrote:#1: Wrong forum. CSM forums are not in GD forums.
#2: Redundant posting. Apparently the CSM is immune to moderation the rest of us have to endure when trying to post anything of relevance.
#3: The EULA and TOS are clear and the declaration by CCP is fine. however, utilizing CSM notoriety to publically post biased blogs is not right. Bounds were overstepped on both sides of the coin on the 'recent issue'. Being on the CSM automatically gives that notoriety, so is your solution to prevent the CSM from posting their opinions? If not, how else do you propose they share their opinions while skirting the issue of CSM notoriety?
By not using inappropriate, inflammatory language while engaged in a personal attack on another player? Like, big no duh on that one.
That undermines the CSM as a concept. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.04.02 02:54:00 -
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Jarod Garamonde wrote:Here's a mild example of that stuff I was talking about, earlier. I didn't even kill this guy, and I get this ragemail in my inbox. Thankfully, no death threats or foul language, or he'd have been petitioned. But, still... an example of this whole "Pirates = Bad/Carebears = Good, and we have a right to yell at you and call you scumbags" nonsense.
You got From: (name withheld to spare him/her any outside harassment) Sent: 2014.04.01 21:06 To: Jarod Garamonde,
some issues if your idea of entertainment is ruining someone else's.
Good thing that the people at Star Citizen understand that fun in gaming is not a zero-sum-game, and put mechanics to prevent dudes like you from preying on others
Just proving my point, mate. Just proving my point. We are playing an MMO about spaceships killing eachother. Full stop. Fighting other players is way more of a challenge than mindless mission grinding.
If CCP had never intended us to fight eachother, there would be no such thing as killmails.
HTFU and deal wit it.
The really hilarious irony is that the only person treating it like "a zero sum game" is the guy evemailing you.
"I lost, so it's not fun anymore! Waah!"
The only way he thinks is "fun" is by taking away any chance of anyone else "winning", that being the glorified single player game that is Star Citizen. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.04.02 03:02:00 -
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Winchester Steele wrote:
Imagine his surprise when he discovers that Star Citizen is a zero-sum game. As in Chris Roberts taking all your money and leaving you with zero game.
He gets the sums, you get the zeroes. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.04.02 07:55:00 -
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Bloodmyst Ranwar wrote:
Well first of all, being able to play EvE is a privilege, not a right. (remember, CCP can deny service to you at any time).
So explain to me, why should CCP have the common decency of pulling Erotica to the side and warning him?
Normally, unless you hack the client or bot, a perma ban doesn't come out of nowhere.
Especially when one has been engaged in such an activity for months. That'd be like me getting banned for Margin Scamming next week. I've been doing it for months and I've been unpfront about it, why is it a problem all of a sudden? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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